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ngunn
According to this presentation the evidence for non-synchronous rotation has now gone away. How does that square with the SAR image mis-ties of tens of kilometres reported earlier?
Jason W Barnes
QUOTE (ngunn @ Apr 28 2010, 03:39 AM) *
According to this presentation the evidence for non-synchronous rotation has now gone away. How does that square with the SAR image mis-ties of tens of kilometres reported earlier?


The 10s of km misregistration is due to the pole being offset from the orbit pole -- i.e. a 0.3 degree obliquity for Titan. That's still there, and accounts for the vast majority of the offset. The simultaneous spin-up and precession that nearly cancelled to explain the remaining ~1km offsets is what is apparently gone. I never bought into that in the first place wink.gif

- Jason
Vultur
Unless I'm missing something, that presentation says that methane has to be being replenished, but doesn't suggest how that might occur.
ngunn
QUOTE (Jason W Barnes @ Apr 28 2010, 09:52 PM) *
The 10s of km misregistration is due to the pole being offset from the orbit pole -- i.e. a 0.3 degree obliquity for Titan.


..and the rest.
Thanks, that's most helpful. It's the sort of crucial information that can be easily assimilated by experts but missed by us amateurs because it's not stated in plain language anywhere. You've supplied the missing link.

Vultur, you're right. We apparently have methane replenishment but as yet no process certainly identified that accounts for it. One possibility is widespread slow seepage that leaves no visible trace on the landscape.
nprev
Seepage would explain methane's continuing presence, but what's the actual source? The dissociation rate seems pretty rapid.

The answer probably is in fact a much more massive reservoir than expected which is slowly going away, but the presentation seems to leave open the possibility that CH4 is being generated by unspecified cryovolcanic and/or geological processes.
rlorenz
Right, in the initial solution, most of the misregistration was accounted for by the obliquity. The best solutions
also required nonsynchroneity, although the correlation in solution space between dRA/dt of the pole (i.e. precession)
and delta-omega (nonsynroneity) was high.

When Bryan Stiles developed these solutions (published in AJ), I had to tell the nonsynchronous/wind/ocean
story (in Science) - if I didnt interpret the nonynch that way, someone else would have....

With new data, and a bug fixed in the fitting code, the solutions have a lower (but still non-zero) delta-omega.
An independent solution by the Italian group now (once an East-West snafu in longitudes of tiepoints was
resolved) gets the same answer.

The obliquity remains (and itself points to a liquid interior).

(Jason was evidently right to be wary of the dRA/dt correlation; we made the best interpretation of what we had
at the time - all anyone can do in a competitive environment. And even if wrong [as a lot of stuff in Science and Nature
turns out to be] the paper stimulated a lot of work on GCMs, gravitational and pressure coupling between core and
crust, etc...... it's been rather fun to watch :-) The dRA/dt, incidentally, is interestingly high.... but
that's another story)

QUOTE (Jason W Barnes @ Apr 28 2010, 04:52 PM) *
The 10s of km misregistration is due to the pole being offset from the orbit pole -- i.e. a 0.3 degree obliquity for Titan. That's still there, and accounts for the vast majority of the offset. The simultaneous spin-up and precession that nearly cancelled to explain the remaining ~1km offsets is what is apparently gone. I never bought into that in the first place wink.gif

ngunn
QUOTE (rlorenz @ May 1 2010, 02:52 PM) *
The dRA/dt, incidentally, is interestingly high.... but
that's another story)


Does this suggest that the precession, and maybe even the obliquity itself, are not shared by Titan's deep interior but are rather properties of the floating crust alone? It's a fascinating subject: thinking about it raises so many complex questions and possibilities it's hardly surprising if initial interpretations require reappraisal as the story unfolds. Another great reason for staying here a further seven years.
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