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elakdawalla
I, along with the rest of the admin team here at UnmannedSpaceflight.com have a big announcment to make today: The Planetary Society and UnmannedSpaceflight.com are joining forces. Here's the Society's press release about it. I'm so excited! You guys with your fantastic work processing space images are exactly the kind of people we seek to connect with, inspire, educate, and in turn, see you educating everyone around you about what's going on in the exploration of our solar system.

Some of you may be a little concerned about this new partnership -- you may be thinking that the Planetary Society will try to change the way the forum is run. Let me assure you that that will not happen. My bosses at the Society recognize that the reason this place is so great is that it is a community that has grown around itself, developed its own rules, and is functioning very well on its own terms. The administrative policies will not change. All that is changing is that the Society is agreeing to be responsible for the financial maintenance of the website; and that when you make donations to support this site, your donations are tax-deductible (at least in the U.S).

If you have any questions or concerns about this new collaboration, please do not hesitate to ask me or any other member of the admin/mod team.
ngunn
Hooray!
stevesliva
Nice! Not at all concerned about the site content and moderation. Happy to have it under some auspices of the Planetary Society.

My only really minor concern is some consideration about hosting this forum with little downtime. I seem to recall planetary.org having some issues in the past, but I have no idea of why-- whether it was a 3rd party hosting issue, or whether it was internal DIY gone awry. But umsf has long been very well admin'ed from a technical standpoint, and I'd love to see that continue.
brellis
yay! smile.gif
elakdawalla
That's a good question. UMSF will stay on its current dedicated server. It's had such a good uptime record, maybe we should move the Society's homepage to the same server smile.gif

(Society's downtime is almost always related to enormous mission events, where servers suddenly get hammered. We're supposed to be robust to those things but the web service providers can't always tell the difference between a really really big mission event that triggers lots of page views of one image, and a DOS attack.)
jasedm
So, business as usual, but TPS picks up the tab? Am I reading that right?

I like the idea that some of the very hard work put in by the likes of Bjorn, Machi, Exploitcorporations, Ian R et al gain a wider audience - richly deserved I think.

Jase
elakdawalla
Well, sort of. Remember that the Society is an organization whose funds come from dues and donations. USMF has, in the past, been funded by its members (it isn't really very expensive -- the main expense is the huge amount of time donated by the all-volunteer admin team). That won't change -- it's just that instead of sending a Paypal donation to some random British guy (hi Doug!), it's now being done through a nonprofit with all the i's dotted and T's crossed.
nprev
Great, and I might say rather unexpected, news! smile.gif Makes all kinds of sense on lots of levels...good thinking!!!

Emily, let me get this straight, though: Should we donate to UMSF as before, or will there be a dedicated UMSF donation method offered via TPS, or will TPS fund UMSF so that donations to the former are used (in part) to fund the latter?

Just want to get it all right.

Also, do you happen to know if TPS is on the Combined Federal Campaign (CFC) this year? I looked for it in the pamphlet but didn't see it; entered the code from last year anyhow, hoping for the best...
ElkGroveDan
Give us another day Nick to get the donation buttons at the bottom sorted out.
SFJCody
QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 6 2010, 10:13 AM) *
Great, and I might say rather unexpected, news! smile.gif



I anticipated it. So many references to UMSF.com in Emily's blog, so many member produced images on the Planetary Society website, so much cross-fertilization... it was only a matter of time. May this be a long and fruitful partnership! smile.gif
elakdawalla
Nick: I've sent an email to ask about the CFC.
nprev
Cool; thanks, Emily. Dan (and I suspect Astro0), I see that the banner has already been revised...quick work, looks nice! biggrin.gif
djellison
We must have been talking about this for 8 or 9 months, but I'm very very glad we're finally able to make it official. Thanks to all the admins and mods for being the sage sounding board they always are. Ever since I discovered I would be working at JPL - I wanted to hand the forum over to a safe pair of hands, and there are none safer than Emily's.

The combination of www.AmateurSpaceImages.com and UMSF coming under the TPS banner is just a match made in digital heaven. Thanks to Jen, Lou, Bill and most of all Emily for making it happen.

The Saturday before DPS in Cambridge 2005 - I met Steve Squyres for the first time, that awesome first interview MP3. The following day, I met Emily for the first time and suggested she would make an awesome admin for UMSF.

Today at DPS in 2010 - 5 years later - UMSF becomes a part of a very special society, and the opportunity to turn this bar-room brawl into a searchable usable resource finally comes to fruition.

And how did I end the day? Passing Steve in the corridor at DPS ( on the only night he's there ) and was able to share the good news with him.

eoincampbell
Congratulations!
Great news for the solar system (and beyond)... smile.gif
nprev
QUOTE (djellison @ Oct 5 2010, 06:31 PM) *
Today at DPS in 2010 - 5 years later - UMSF becomes a part of a very special society, and the opportunity to turn this bar-room brawl into a searchable usable resource finally comes to fruition.


It's a beautiful vision of the future, but please: Leave just a little sawdust on the floor? unsure.gif wink.gif
djellison
Oh - we still leave the sawdust on the floor here - but then all the good ideas written on the back of beer-mats get pinned up next door for everyone to enjoy smile.gif
Greg Hullender
So contributions will be tax-deductible at last!

--Greg
elakdawalla
Yes indeed!
Tom Tamlyn
>>Ever since I discovered I would be working at JPL

Hello -- did I miss an announcement somewhere?

And congratulations to all on the new joint venture!

TTT
djellison
QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Oct 5 2010, 08:28 PM) *
Hello -- did I miss an announcement somewhere?


I just let the news seep out by osmosis - I've been there since May smile.gif
Tom Tamlyn
A second round of congratulations are in order. That's a big change. I guess it will no longer be strictly accurate to call you a spokesman for the amateur community. ->

Can you share what you're doing there, or will that just seep out too.

TTT
djellison
It'll seep out in about 3 weeks smile.gif
brellis
It's quite refreshing to hear encouraging stories involving seepage! laugh.gif
SFJCody
QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Oct 6 2010, 02:28 PM) *
Hello -- did I miss an announcement somewhere?


It pays to follow Doug on twitter! ph34r.gif laugh.gif
climber
Great new indeed!
Doug, on my UMSF profile, can you change "joined 2006" by "joined 1989" please ? wink.gif
CosmicRocker
Interesting news on both accounts. Congratulations all around.

This also reminded me that it has been a while since I donated to UMSF. I took care of that tonight, thanks to the new link at the bottom of the page. smile.gif

Let's wish the best to our new proprietors.

remcook
sweet smile.gif
Stephen
QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Oct 6 2010, 08:45 AM) *
Some of you may be a little concerned about this new partnership -- you may be thinking that the Planetary Society will try to change the way the forum is run. Let me assure you that that will not happen. My bosses at the Society recognize that the reason this place is so great is that it is a community that has grown around itself, developed its own rules, and is functioning very well on its own terms. The administrative policies will not change.

Congratulations and best wishes.

But I do have a question or two: are these new arrangements in writing? What actual guarantees are there that the reassurances you gave will in fact remain in place over the longer term?

I ask that as someone who has been through more than one amalgamation himself. My experience of such things is that previous arrangements never remain the same after the big change, especially over the longer term.

More specifically, bosses change. When that happens anything that's not nailed down in writing has a habit of going out the window. There is always someone with a bright idea who believes his way of doing things is better than the way his predecessor(s) went about them. For example, recently a whole slew of bosses got turfed put where I come from and a brand-new management team brought in, a team which then proceeded to make wholesale changes to the way things were run, causing vast amounts of angst and gnashing of teeth in the process, at least among those who had no say themselves in the running of things. The point of view at the top was that they were only proceeding in what they saw as everybody's best interests, but it would be equally fair to say that among the lower echelons the general view was very different. Morale plummeted, and more than one decided they would have a better future elsewhere.

In that context I cannot help but notice that it wasn't Doug who made this announcement but Emily. That in itself would seem to be saying something.

That said, let me again say best wishes. I look forward to seeing what the Brave New World looks like.

=====
Stephen
Bill Harris
Unfortunately, the conversation has become so restricted/directed that you've missed many important geological/morphological features on the traverses. But you do have pretty pictures. wink.gif

Good luck...

--Bill
Juramike
Awesome!
Poolio
Sounds great! If ever there were a match made in heaven, this is it.

Will membership dues and donations to TPS help cover the cost of UMSF, or will it still be required to fund UMSF separately? Not trying to save a few bucks here, just wondering... After all, these two websites account for the bulk of my internet time every day.
Lunik9
TPS has a nice logo... it's a match made in outer space smile.gif
Seriously will http://planetary.org/amateur/index.html also include a gallery with magazine covers & newspaper articles provided by UMSF forum members?
elakdawalla
Stephen, there is a written agreement that outlines the boundaries between the Society and UnmannedSpaceflight.com. It's true that bosses change, and that admins and mods may come and go, but the admin team is the same as it was the day before yesterday and none of us anticipates it changing much any time soon. I'll be honest, nobody else who is employed by the Society even reads this forum, but everyone there is delighted to see the beautiful images that I pull out of it to show them.

Nick, I've confirmed that we are participating in the CFC this year, but I haven't heard back on my double-check of the specific code yet.

Lunik9, there probably wouldn't be a separate gallery for such images, but certainly it could be noted in image captions (and with a tag) if an image has been published somewhere.

PDP8E
Emily,
...by any chance did he transfer the title, 'dictator for life of unmannedspaceflight.com' ?

Oh well! Doug is extremely lucky, you are very lucky, and we all are just lucky to be here!

Good Luck to us all (!!) ... PDP8e
ngunn
I have expressed here before my belief that the origin and evolution of UnmannedSpaceflight.com is a piece of history in it's own right deserving of preservation as a "world heritage site". Future historians of science, of public participation in science, and of the role of the internet therein will find it an invaluable case study. I hope that one of the things the Planetary Society will now do is to archive a copy of the whole contents of the forum up to this point, entirely independent from the server on which it runs.
nprev
Thanks, Emily. Please let me know when you get the code; want to verify that my donation's going to the correct place! wink.gif
Pertinax
I'm a bit slow to post here and as such my apologies sad.gif !

That said, CONGRATULATIONS to you Doug and I can't wait to hear more of your role at JPL. I'll admit that I'm even more excited about that bit of news than the pleasant news that UMSF has comfortable and hopefully safe home with the PS. (One more inch closer in being drug kicking and screaming toward twitter.) Thank you Emily for your efforts biggrin.gif !

While not a prolific poster, I love UMSF!


Cheers!



-- Pertinax
ustrax
sniff...and to think that yesterday this baby was giving its first steps...sniff smile.gif
What a ride my friends, w-h-a-t a r-i-d-e ! ! !
hendric
Great news!

Re: Ngunn's proposal

How about we just archive the site and place it on the DVDs along with all the names TPS collects for planetary missions? Would be a great way to archive the site for the future!
elakdawalla
QUOTE (nprev @ Oct 5 2010, 04:13 PM) *
Also, do you happen to know if TPS is on the Combined Federal Campaign (CFC) this year? I looked for it in the pamphlet but didn't see it; entered the code from last year anyhow, hoping for the best...


The code is 53736 -- hope that's what you entered! smile.gif
nprev
We have a winner!!! biggrin.gif Yep, that was it, same as last year. Thanks, Emily!
NW71
I'm sure there has been far more work behind the scenes to make this happen than people are modestly coming clean about so many congratulations to all.

To Emily and all the other administrators - you can feel a real warm glow of pride with this news at a job well done.

Doug - many congratulations on your 'new' job. It must be a dream come true.

Now if JPL just needed an accountant/statistician... laugh.gif

Neil


ups
Doug, your little project here has become quite successful over the years -- congratulations.
lyford
Man I go off the grid for a few weeks and what happens?!?!? ohmy.gif

HOORAY and HUZZAH! This is great news all around... smile.gif
JohnVV
i guess it is about time to re register at the planetary Society
it has been about 20 years since i was getting the" planetary report " in the mail
brellis
Reading through UMSF threads and trying to figure out what the heck y'all are talking about blink.gif is always a bright moment in my day.

This thread is making good sense to me! smile.gif

Oh, and I am a proud member of the Planetary Society, just got my Volume XXX Report yesterday.
John Macco
rolleyes.gif As a lurker for 7 years, I thought I'd post my thoughts. I have been following the unmanned missions since the Mariner-2 days and I always thought the technicians and scientists who plan and execute these missions never got the accolades and recognition they deserved. Your website allows us to relive those missions and the excitement of them. Thank you for your fantastic website. rolleyes.gif
Toma B
So now UMSF is "a project of the Planetary Society"...well...whatever.
I just hope EVERYTHING will remain SAME AS BEFORE.

Now, can somebody/anybody at Planetary Society,UMSF,JPL or wherever try to find out what has happened to those RAW IMAGES from our beloved Mars rover Opportunity? It's been a week since last images were uploaded to either exploratorium or JPL MER site.

Tesheiner
Take it easy, man! wink.gif
tedstryk
Toma B: It might be time to cut back on the coffee...
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