Ian R
Feb 15 2011, 10:38 AM
Sunspot
Feb 15 2011, 11:36 AM
hmmm website stopped updating with images.
MahFL
Feb 15 2011, 12:17 PM
They are proberbly asleep, or keeping them back for the news conference. It's 4:16 am at JPL.
Also the spacecraft isn't sending the pictures down in the order expected.
PaulM
Feb 15 2011, 01:01 PM
The broad end of the nucleus seems to be facing Stardust in the photos. I think that this means that the plan to take a detailed photo the Deep Impact crater just before closest approach has succeeded.
On the TV coverage I saw someone pick up the comet model and point to the fat end of the nucleus. The bearded project scientist responsible for determining the rotation of the comet then vigourously nodded his head in agreement. This is encouraging.
dilo
Feb 15 2011, 01:51 PM
I tried to make crossed-eye stereogram with second and last pictures (after rotation/rescaling/sharpening processings):
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Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 02:17 PM
http://www.cosmicdiary.org/blogs/nasa/franck_marchis/?p=1004QUOTE
C. Jones announced that the press conference is postponed to 1pm on Tuesday Feb 15. The closest images should be received in the morning. They don’t know why the data were sent/saved this way yet.
ugordan
Feb 15 2011, 02:24 PM
Do we know if the rotational phase seen by Stardust matched any seen by Deep Impact's HRI instrument during approach? Since the latter is a much higher res instrument, it actually picked up a good bit of rotation on the way in, as can be seen
here.
For fun I tried matching one of the earlier HRI frames to the first good Stardust image. Looks like a slightly earlier snapshot than I picked would make a better fit, bit it was at too low a resolution. HRI image magnified some 200 % and rotated to "fit". Some vaguely similar albedo patterns there.
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Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 02:42 PM
My impression based on your animation is that the HRI image should be rotated 90 degrees clockwise to match the new view.
Phil
ugordan
Feb 15 2011, 02:46 PM
I rotated it slightly over 70 degrees clockwise. Close but no cigar?
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 03:15 PM
No, I mean the comparison as you presented it just above, still needs a 90 clockwise rotation. The bright spot on the right of your HRI image is the bottom point of the Stardust image. If you watch your animation zoomed in, you can see how the motion carries that bright spot down to the bottom of the nucleus, while the area that will become the one you're trying to match rotates into view.
Phil
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 04:38 PM
djellison
Feb 15 2011, 04:41 PM
They're beautiful - utterly beautiful - I wasn't expecting the camera to perform quite so well.
paxdan
Feb 15 2011, 04:43 PM
crater identification in 3, 2, 1....
Stu
Feb 15 2011, 04:43 PM
Just catching up with this 'cos I've been at work all day until now, but wow, what an achievement. And well done Doug for all your hard work on this, too.
Amazing times we live in. Amazing times...
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 04:44 PM
QUOTE ("paxdan")
crater identification in 3, 2, 1....
My best guess for the impact site (based on looking at the Deep Impact images).
ZLD
Feb 15 2011, 04:46 PM
Wow! I had honestly been expecting images much less clear than these. Looks like this mission will pay off nicely.
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 04:47 PM
tedstryk
Feb 15 2011, 04:48 PM
QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Feb 15 2011, 05:44 PM)

My best guess for the impact site (based on looking at the Deep Impact images).
That crater is in the DI approach images, so it can't be it.
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 04:51 PM
You're right, I got my orientation of the surface features wrong. It should be somewhere to the left of the circular crater.
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 04:56 PM
A bit of processing... some new territory - now if we can just look round the corner!
Phil
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ugordan
Feb 15 2011, 04:58 PM
I'm also very pleasantly surprised by the images. Some of the early ones had what appears to be motion blur (dust impacts?) and varying exposure, but this is awesome quality! Kudos to the whole team.
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 04:59 PM
toddbronco2
Feb 15 2011, 05:02 PM
I think the identification of the DI crater from Hungry4Info was correct
It's the small white spot below the large crater, right?
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 05:07 PM
My identification was incorrect. The crater will be somewhere inbetween the two neatly defined circular ones.
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 05:08 PM
According to the NASA site (as of right now), that last pic was taken from a distance of 946.05 trillion kilometers. That's quite a zoom lens they've got there.
(what's a factor of 10^12 between friends?)
Phil
KrisK
Feb 15 2011, 05:11 PM
Not sure 100% but can it be that one:
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toddbronco2
Feb 15 2011, 05:12 PM
Rotated the Deep Impact image to be close to the Stardust orientation. I think...
Bjorn Jonsson
Feb 15 2011, 05:12 PM
WOW!! These images are far, far better than I was expecting.
Based on the DI 'first flash' image I think the crater might be approximately where the red arrow points but I'm not sure - and I can't identify anything that is obviously a new crater [EDIT: Probably a bit more to the right]:
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Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 05:16 PM
Bright spot spoiler? - it was there before...
Phil
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john_s
Feb 15 2011, 05:19 PM
Stardust on the left, Deep Impact on the right, with the "official" impact site arrowed. I sure don't see the new crater...
Click to view attachmentJohn
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 05:19 PM
I think I can see KrisK's and Bjorn's impact candidates in the pre-impact Deep Impact image.
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 05:21 PM
I've done a 'blink comparator' overlay job and I can't see anything that looks like a new feature. Some things seem to have disappeared, but nothing formed. Is it all either eroded away or buried under ejecta?
Phil
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 05:22 PM
With a porous surface, and a dense impactor, I wouldn't be surprised if the comet more or less swalled the impactor without much of a crater.
toddbronco2
Feb 15 2011, 05:22 PM
So the original impact plume from Deep Impact was too big and bright to see surface detail and yet the crater left behind is perhaps too small to even resolve? That's an interesting result!
Phil Stooke
Feb 15 2011, 05:22 PM
The instant science is just a-poppin' here! One thing's for sure, we're all guaranteed tenure.
Phil
Bjorn Jonsson
Feb 15 2011, 05:28 PM
QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Feb 15 2011, 05:19 PM)

I think I can see KrisK's and Bjorn's impact candidates in the pre-impact Deep Impact image.
Actually I was just trying to guess from the DI image approximately where the crater might be without actually trying to identify it in the new images so this is normal. One thing now seems certain though: Any crater from the DI impact isn't big (actually it occurs to me if there might possibly be no identifiable new crater, possibly due to a lot of dust?).
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 05:30 PM
Phil mentions he's seen things have dissapeared. The crater may have eroded away over the past few years.
Sunspot
Feb 15 2011, 05:36 PM
QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Feb 15 2011, 05:30 PM)

Phil mentions he's seen things have dissapeared. The crater may have eroded away over the past few years.
But why wouldn't other craters/features seen in the Deep Impact images have eroded also?
weird
toddbronco2
Feb 15 2011, 05:37 PM
Regardless of how visible the DI crater is, I'm very impressed with how well the predicted flyby geometry matches the images. It looks like they timed the flyby flawlessly. Despite the pre-flyby handwringing that they might have targeted the incorrect peak in the rotation light curve, it looks like they chose correctly!
ugordan
Feb 15 2011, 05:39 PM
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 15 2011, 06:21 PM)

Some things seem to have disappeared, but nothing formed.
Disappeared or invisible due to low phase angle?
S_Walker
Feb 15 2011, 05:44 PM
Fascinating images- much better than expected. Here's a processed version of the closest shot available at the moment.
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fredk
Feb 15 2011, 05:44 PM
I'm wondering about the phase angle too. I was ready to declare an identification of the crater based on Phil's enhancement of this earlier image (see dark circularish ring inside my white circle):
Click to view attachmentBut that dark ring seems to be invisible in the closer image. Could that be due to the change in viewing geometry?
Hungry4info
Feb 15 2011, 05:50 PM
djellison
Feb 15 2011, 05:55 PM
QUOTE (Sunspot @ Feb 15 2011, 09:36 AM)

But why wouldn't other craters/features seen in the Deep Impact images have eroded also?
Think of a sand dune.
Put a foot-print in it.
Following day...sand dune's still there...but the foot print isn't.
tedstryk
Feb 15 2011, 05:56 PM
QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Feb 15 2011, 05:50 PM)

More pics.
Is there a need to link to every image? They can all be easily seen here
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stardust...ion1/index.html
volcanopele
Feb 15 2011, 06:09 PM
QUOTE (john_s @ Feb 15 2011, 10:19 AM)

Stardust on the left, Deep Impact on the right, with the "official" impact site arrowed. I sure don't see the new crater...
Yeah, no crater... but maybe it caused the obliteration of the dark spot just above the arrow point in the DI image?
CAP-Team
Feb 15 2011, 06:12 PM
Great images! I expected the crater to be much bigger! Now we can't even find it..
jasedm
Feb 15 2011, 06:17 PM
Absolutely amazing pictures - I was expecting less quality than the DI pics, but these are comparable if not better.
I'm amazed that the crater isn't very obvious considering the material plume the impactor kicked out. That's 370kg's of copper travelling at around 10km/second.
Apparently a crater in the order of 100m in diameter was envisaged. The surface obviously absorbs an impactor much more than expected.
Simply amazing work on the part of the team to achieve this sort of targeting and imaging.
ugordan
Feb 15 2011, 06:20 PM
What pathetic humans we are, we can't even make a lasting impact on a measly comet...
Looking at Emily's
animation, it looks like I got the geometry in post
#107 about right after all.
PaulM
Feb 15 2011, 06:24 PM
The "EPOXI mission" scientists seem to be just as confused as the rest of us:
"Using the composite image from Deep Impact and cropping, rotating, brightening 30036 from SD-N...Where's the crater??."
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?stor...726&theaterhttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=499...ter#!/EPOXITo see the link you need first to log on using FACEBOOK. I have proven that any account will do.
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