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djellison


Just perusing thru the Viking Lander dataseta ( amazing, less than 1CD each - and I've got 9 DVD's for Spirits Pancam Sols 1-270 alone ohmy.gif ) and found this three-colour set - I thought it looked fab, and I've never seen it before.

Here's the info...
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Product Id  11E123-GRN
Spacecraft Name  VIKING_LANDER_1  Instrument Name  CAMERA_1
Mission Phase Name  EXTENDED MISSION  Target Name  MARS
Start Time  1977-07-31T08:08:51Z  Stop Time  1977-07-31T08:16:12Z
Planet Day Number  366  Local Time  10.70
Start Azimuth  162.50 degrees  Stop Azimuth  245.00 degrees
Center Elevation  10.00 degrees  Sampling Parameter Interval  0.12 degrees
Observation Type  COLOR TRIPLET  Filter Name  GREEN
Gain Number  4  Offset Number  1
Detector Temperature  -18.10  Dust Flag  FALSE
Start Rescan Number  0  Total Rescan Number  0
Scan Rate  16000 BPS  Data Path Type  RECORDED UHF LINK
Line Samples  689  Missing Samples  3
GregM
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4th rock from the sun
Very good!
I think the Viking missions deserve a on-line gallery like the current MER rovers have at http://www.lyle.org/%7Emarkoff/.
Given the small amount of data it might even be simpler to do!
tedstryk
QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 23 2005, 09:48 PM)
Very good!
I think the Viking missions deserve a on-line gallery like the current MER rovers have at http://www.lyle.org/%7Emarkoff/.
Given the small amount of data it might even be simpler to do!
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It would be nice to make a site utilizing all planetary landers (on Venus, Mars, the moon, and Titan). Perhaps this is a project that could be undertaken after the MER mission (since if MSL gets delayed, which looks certain without a political rescue and barring some scout lander coming from nowhere, the post-MER period might provide a nice chance to dig back in the archives - I know there will be the Phoenix interlude, but I suspect it will be shortlived due to the highl latitude coupled with solar power).

Ted
djellison
Well - I'll certainly go thru and start making all the RGB combos I can find for V1 and V2 - but the only problem I have is the same problem I have with Pathfinder .img's

They're not exactly RAD's are they ohmy.gif Some will come out looking about right but many are obviously not properly calibrated as one would find with an MER RAD with img2png -r

I think this might be an investigation for super-bjorn smile.gif

If you wish to grab a burnable-to-CD .img of each Viking archive..

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-lcs-2-edr-v1.0/

The folders of the same names are simply the full content of the .img (which is a sort of .iso)

Looking here - http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-.../vl_0001/calib/

and especially here
http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...lib/calinfo.htm

I'm sure the information to generate radiometrically calibrated data is there - I think Bjorn may just need to re-do a bit of IMG2PNG to do it. If he can do that - I'll happily generate every RGB set I can find.

I think MPF's IMP needs the same attention in Img2Png'ing


Doug
tedstryk
QUOTE (djellison @ May 24 2005, 02:18 PM)
Well - I'll certainly go thru and start making all the RGB combos I can find for V1 and V2  - but the only problem I have is the same problem I have with Pathfinder .img's

They're not exactly RAD's are they ohmy.gif  Some will come out looking about right but many are obviously not properly calibrated as one would find with an MER RAD with img2png -r

I think this might be an investigation for super-bjorn smile.gif

If you wish to grab a burnable-to-CD .img of each Viking archive..

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-lcs-2-edr-v1.0/

The folders of the same names are simply the full content of the .img (which is a sort of .iso)

Looking here - http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-.../vl_0001/calib/

and especially here
http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...lib/calinfo.htm

I'm sure the information to generate radiometrically calibrated data is there - I think Bjorn may just need to re-do a bit of IMG2PNG to do it.  If he can do that - I'll happily generate every RGB set I can find.

I think MPF's IMP needs the same attention in Img2Png'ing


Doug
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I have also had trouble in that the slow scanning of the Viking cameras can lead to subtle differences between frames.
Chmee
So does this picture symbolize something? Like giving the middle-finger to the Soviets: "Hey we landed (successfully) here first, so there!"

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djellison
QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 24 2005, 03:08 PM)
I have also had trouble in that the slow scanning of the Viking cameras can lead to subtle differences between frames.
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iirc - R, G and B were actually scanned at the same time, together. This is how I read the operation of the cameras anyway. The scanning of three channels at the same time ( R,G,B or IR1,IR2,IR3 ) would generate data at the same rate as the high resolution sensors in monochrome ( i.e. 3 channels of .12 degrees = 1 channel of .04 degrees )

i.e.

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...xx/12a006bu.htm

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...xx/12a006gn.htm

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...xx/12a006rd.htm

are all part of the same sequence and all started and finished at the same times.

Doug
Phil Stooke
Chmee: "So does this picture symbolize something? Like giving the middle-finger to the Soviets: "Hey we landed (successfully) here first, so there!" "

No, it doesn't!

But seriously... a nice image. Lots of these Viking images are rarely seen and certainly deserve a wider audience. A composite of this color merged with the high res frame of the area would be very impressive too. I know Tim Parker has been doing some super-resolution stuff with these Viking images, too. There was an LPSC abstract a few years ago on it.

Phil
tedstryk
The frames I was working with when I had this problem were the few rare high resolution color images (which never turned out very well anyhow). It never occured to me that the lower resolution scans would be faster rolleyes.gif
QUOTE (djellison @ May 24 2005, 03:54 PM)
QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 24 2005, 03:08 PM)

I have also had trouble in that the slow scanning of the Viking cameras can lead to subtle differences between frames.
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iirc - R, G and B were actually scanned at the same time, together. This is how I read the operation of the cameras anyway. The scanning of three channels at the same time ( R,G,B or IR1,IR2,IR3 ) would generate data at the same rate as the high resolution sensors in monochrome ( i.e. 3 channels of .12 degrees = 1 channel of .04 degrees )

i.e.

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...xx/12a006bu.htm

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...xx/12a006gn.htm

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...xx/12a006rd.htm

are all part of the same sequence and all started and finished at the same times.

Doug
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djellison
I must admit - I did occasionally think "well, why not just to colour scans much slower?" when wondering about high res colour smile.gif

Doug
edstrick
The Viking Lander cameras had, as I recall, 12 Photo-diodes per camera. R,G,B,IR1,IR2, IR3 for multispectral imagery, 1 broadband diode for low-rez monochrome imaging, 1 un-amplified diode for direct sun imaging, and 4 hi-rez diodes at fixed focus steps to provide in-focus images at different ranges.

The diodes were mounted in two side-by-side lines, The RGB diodes were in one line, the IR diodes in the other. RGB and IR1-2-3 images are nearly perfectly registered (There is about 1 1/10 pixel error, which is enough to make nasty color fringing if you attempt to enhance IR color data), but there is mis-alignment in the forground between the 2 sets of diodes.

Imaging sequences were normally 1.) broadband low rez, 2.) Color low rez, 3.) broadband High-rez (using a selected high rez diode) and 4.) sun imaging. Color (and IR color) images were taken by scanning the same vertical scan line 3 times, then stepping the camera 1 field of view 0.12 deg over, and scanning the next line 3 times, using the 3 color or 3 infrared diodes in sequence. Low-rez diode images were 60 deg high centered at 5 or 10 deg elevation intervals (can't remember). High-rez diode images were 20 deg high. Image widths were variable, in increments of 64 (I think) scans. (64/3 for color)

The cameras also had a few "odd" imaging modes. They could take high-rez mode pics using color diodes, over-sampling the low-rez diodes with 0.04 deg sample spacing. HOWEVER, they could only take one color at a time, taking them in sequence, or at the same time of day on subsequent days. Usually, high-rez mode color images have annoying color fringes from sun movement from one image to the next in the sequence. The cameras also had a "motion detection" mode where the camera just continually image one vertical scan line up to a few hundred times or so. Didn't show much other than shadows moving, except for imaging sequences when Phobos's shadow passed over the landing site or nearby and they could see the sky <and foreground, if it was directly across the sun> darken by 10% or so and get the time of mid-eclipse EXACTLY.

The cameras returned (unfortunately) 6-bit data, which significantly degraded the IR color data, as there was very very low "color" contrast in IR images. For an imaging sequence, the camera's amplifier "Gain" (sensativity) could be set, as could an "offset" (zero-level) value. If gain was set too high, large parts of the images would be <and sometims were> saturated at a "Digital number" DN level of 63. Offset was generally set to near zero, so true black in the images is usually, THOUGH NOT ALWAYS, near zero in the EDR (experiment data record) data.

The simplest way to make quasi-true color images from Viking data is to select an image together with an image of a sunlit calibration test chart taken at a similar time of day at about the same time in the mission. The charts were tilted and didn't get really dusty (they did get some). Adjust gain in the RGB channels till the sunlit gray-steps on the chart are neutral shades of gray.

The red patch on the chart will look red, the green patch will look green, but the blue patch will look PURPLE. The Viking lander camera channels had a BIG gap between the response of the green and red channels where they overlap strongly in human vision (yellow and orange wavelengths), and the red channel had significant near IR response, where the blue paint chip had a strong increase in reflectivity in the near IR. Without quantitative remapping of the camera's output into channels matching the color response of the human eye, you cannot get true color data from the lander cameras.
djellison
The eclipse imagery I features in my talk on Saturday ( "It was a smash!" - The front bumper of Chris's Elise" )

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/doug_im.../v1_eclipse.jpg

The images used were....
http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/vl1_vl2-m-...xx/12f136bu.htm and the two following.

What I know about the Viking imaging system stems from about 4 hours of mad panic research last week smile.gif

I think I may have to learn how to do this 'programning' lark - I'm slowly becoming more and more of a 'confused artist' when trying to do some of the things I'd like to do smile.gif

Doug
tedstryk
Here is my latest attempt at a Viking 2 pan. For some reason, it is nearly impossible to get realistic-looking color saturation with Viking - the images either get to red or too green. One place looks right, and then another place gets out of wack. Ugghhh.

tedstryk
QUOTE (tedstryk @ May 25 2005, 04:22 PM)
Here is my latest attempt at a Viking 2 pan.  For some reason, it is nearly impossible to get realistic-looking color saturation with Viking - the images either get to red or too green.  One place looks right, and then another place gets out of wack. Ugghhh.


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Edit: Actually, for images without saturated areas, I have found a solution. Enlarge the image, resample it, and shrink it back (it can be done without enlarging, but it degrades resolution further). Then overlay the color product over a mix of the three original images. Due to the resampling, the colors are not as harsh. Here is an example:

4th rock from the sun
I made some progress with the Viking raw GIF images avaliable on-line, through some channel mixing and color balance, using calibrated MER images as reference.

Given that the Viking filter wavelenghts are RED=700, GREEN=550 and BLUE=470 I mix them like this:

Computed Red = 0.7xRED + 0.3xGREEN = 0.7 x 700 + 0.3 x 550 = 655
Computed Green = 0.5xGREEN + 0.5 x BLUE = 0.5 x 550 + 0.5 x 470 = 510
Computed Blue = 1xBLUE = 470 = 470

This is very close to the human vision peak wavelenghts of 650, 510 and 440 and reduces some color saturation and contamination due to IR.

The results Click to view attachment are good and match well with MER and MPF images!

Click to view attachment
tedstryk
QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 25 2005, 07:14 PM)
I made some progress with the Viking raw GIF images avaliable on-line, through some channel mixing and color balance, using calibrated MER images as reference.

Given that the Viking filter wavelenghts are RED=700, GREEN=550 and BLUE=470 I mix them like this:

Computed Red = 0.7xRED + 0.3xGREEN = 0.7 x 700 + 0.3 x 550  = 655 
Computed Green = 0.5xGREEN + 0.5 x BLUE = 0.5 x 550 + 0.5 x 470 = 510
Computed Blue = 1xBLUE = 470 = 470

This is very close to the human vision peak wavelenghts of 650, 510 and 440 and reduces some color saturation and contamination due to IR.

The results Click to view attachment are good and match well with MER and MPF images!

Click to view attachment
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I have also been trying to develop a good super resolution image of the large crater V-1 saw on the horizon. It even saw the distant wall, sort of like Oppy while approaching Endurance. The problem is that of the high resolution images, only three have similar solar illumination, and there are only five total (there are a few frames that show part of the crater from the other camera, but the parallax is too great for them to be useful). Here is what I have so far:

Bob Shaw
Fascinating image - can you identify it in a context shot?
maycm
Click to view attachment Sorry to take this off topic for a moment - I was wondering what this object was? Looks like something either broke off the lander or was intentionally detached.
djellison
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-425/ch27.htm



"The prominent cylindrical object in the lower right of figure 91 is a protective shroud that covered the surface sampler during transit to Mars. It was deployed the second day after landing. Its regular outline and brightly reflecting surfaces stand in vivid contrast to the natural scene."


Doug
tedstryk
Here is a context pan.
Bob Shaw
The context shot really puts the super-resolution image in, er, perspective! It's like a whole new mission... ...reminds me of the distant hills poking up over the horizon on clear days at the Pathfinder site - easily missed until you see them, then unmissable!

Any more potential images of this quality, or are they very few and far between?
tedstryk
QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ May 26 2005, 06:13 PM)
The context shot really puts the super-resolution image in, er, perspective! It's like a whole new mission... ...reminds me of the distant hills poking up over the horizon on clear days at the Pathfinder site - easily missed until you see them, then unmissable!

Any more potential images of this quality, or are they very few and far between?
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Here is another version. It is not quite as sharp, as it is based on only three images and is less contrasty. The advantage is that all the images had similar illumination, making it look more realistic. There are lots of other projects that could be done. It would be neat to create a "Walk On Mars" type site with Viking images. But it would be a lot of work. I tend to focus on images besides the traditional shots, such as Big Joe and directly in front of the lander - they have become cliched, although Don Davis has done a color version that is truely spectacular. But there are other parts of the Viking pans that make great shots with a little tweaking.

Ted

garybeau
Nice job with the color pictures '4th rock from the sun' , I remember the Viking images looking so alien back in 1976. But after over a year of looking at MER pictures, it looks just like home. smile.gif

Gary
maycm
QUOTE (djellison @ May 26 2005, 12:12 PM)
"The prominent cylindrical object in the lower right of figure 91 is a protective shroud that covered the surface sampler during transit to Mars. It was deployed the second day after landing. Its regular outline and brightly reflecting surfaces stand in vivid contrast to the natural scene."


Thanks Doug!
tedstryk
Here are two new superres views. This is the area of dunes behind the lander. The second image is to the left of the wider pan, but as some of the images used did not extend that far and there was no way to make the relative brightness of the ground and sky change abruptly there, I decided to make it a separate image.



Bob Shaw
Wow!

I'm bowled over (again).

Like I said, it's a whole new mission...
Phil Stooke
Beautiful pictures, Ted. As Bob said, it's like discovering the mission all over again. This is one of the amazing things about this forum. So much talent. We really need to make sure all these images and other information are preserved somewhere.

Phil
Bob Shaw
I'm really struck by the ordered appearance of the boulders - it makes the Viking 1 site look so much more like the Pathfinder site, where we were told that we were seeing the effects of ancient floodwaters. Viking 2, on the other hand, still looks to me like a set of landing pictures put together by somebody with no interest in geology!
4th rock from the sun
Wow!!! This superres pans are great, congratulations!

I've succeded in merging RGB color and highres channels with good registration (this could of course be done with the superresolution luminance data, given matching light angles).

Look at this results from Viking 1. I does look like Pathfinder's site, specially the yellow/orange sand and dark rocks.



Colors were processed as I mentioned before. The sky was overexposed so I took the liberty of painting it with a uniform "Martian sky" tone.

I'll put some Viking images on my site shortly, but I do think, as Phil Stooke mentioned, that some effort should be done to preserve the excelent results posted on this forum.
Perhaps by creating some sort of "archive thread" on the forum itself to store just the pictures?
4th rock from the sun
Couldn't wait!!!

Here's part of tedstryk's image merged (LRGB) with color data!!!



Color resolution is good enough to show individual colors (well... some more brown, some gray, some orange :-) ) on the largest rocks. Unfortunately the distant features are a uniform "Mars orange"...

Even so I'm surprised to find that 6 bit data can give this much information. Perhaps this is because it's uncompressed? Or is it something like Vinil vs CD question ? (old technology giving more human pleasing results?)
ilbasso
Thinking again of the upcoming missions with just a lander and no airbags: good think the Viking lander didn't come down on the big rock just a couple dozen feet away, that we see in this picture! That would have been a couple hundred million $$$ down the drain.
tedstryk
QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 28 2005, 12:21 AM)
Couldn't wait!!!

Here's part of tedstryk's image merged (LRGB) with color data!!!



Color resolution is good enough to show individual colors (well... some more brown, some gray, some orange :-) ) on the largest rocks. Unfortunately the distant features are a uniform "Mars orange"...

Even so I'm surprised to find that 6 bit data can give this much information. Perhaps this is because it's uncompressed? Or is it something like Vinil vs CD question ? (old technology giving more human pleasing results?)
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Bravo! Excellent color work.

As for the 6 bit issue, the cameras took images in 8-bit mode, which was then converted into 6 bit - however, since they were able to make adjustments as to how this conversion was done (unused or little used parts of the grey scale were cut off), the effects of 6 bit transmission were mitigated.
Phil Stooke
Nice color, 4th rock!

I think the overhanging boulder features are an artifact of the sky painting. Sky color covering a place where the top of a rock was similar in appearance to the sky. Is it possible to look at that area and see if it needs attention? This is not to take anything away from the image, which is very nice. But I think it's a bit misleading at that point.

Phil
tedstryk
Here is a super-res view behind Viking Lander 2. It isn't based on as many images as the others I have uploaded, so it is notquite as good.

Bob Shaw
In that Viking 2 image, is that a hint of a polygon, running from the extreme lower right upwards at an angle of -45 degrees?

I presume that the horizon is really fairly flat - perhaps all we're really seeing at the Viging 2 site is frost-heaved rocks which have been migrated upwards by ice-rich soil (much as in a ploughed field after a hard frost).
Phil Stooke
Ted - nice one.

Bob - hint of a polygon... maybe! I could agree it might be. A few such troughs were mapped at the time, but it would be interesting to look at the whole site again and map things more. I think we have the capabilities here to extend the work that was done by the imaging team at that time.

Horizon... it's more complex that the usual descriptions suggest. They tended to say at the time that it was very flat. But look at the size of boulders on the horizon all around the lander. Here they are large right on the horizon - it's a local slope or ridge no more than a few tens of meters, maybe up to a hundred m, from VL2 - this is the south side. Going east you will see this nearby ridge descend beneath a more distant horizon with a noticeable valley west of the lander, maybe 500 m west. Then the size of boulders changes significantly, and assuming they are really the same size we are looking out across a shallow valley or depression to a much more distant horizon to the north: about 1 km away, maybe. Finallt to the east things get really interesting: the 1 km horizon in the northeast and the 100 m horizon in southeast descend a bit to give a glimpse of much more distant topography in the east. I will post a view of it later. It's very instructive to view that eastern terrain at maximum resolution under different lighting conditions. Ultimately, identifying those distant features in MOC images is our only hope of getting the true VL2 position. I can't make a good match with Mike Malin's position, but I can make better matches with my point and Tim Parker's.

Phil
Phil Stooke
Here is the eastern horizon from VL2 (I suppose this should go in a new thread but it follows what we have been talking about here). The top images are two versions of VL2's eastern horizon seen with 10 times vertical exaggeration. They are shown with noon and evening illumination (top is noon). I identify a few points and then in the bottom scene I try to identify landscape features they match. This is the best match I have been able to make. But I'm not sure it is a unique location match. This point is about 1 km east of Mike Malin's from the recent press release and Sky + Telescope article. So far I don't have similar matches from his site.

Phil

Click to view attachment
djellison
Ted - what technique are you using for the super res? Tim Parkers technique is 1000% size, unsharp mask, then stack in photoshop at, say, 20% for 5 images, or 10% for 10 images. I guess the best way to align would be to use 'difference' layer option and move around till you have the lowest ammount of content, before switching back to 'normal'.

For the super-res imaging of the heatshield from Spirit, I did a 500% scale, unsharpmask, then aligned and stacked in registax.

Doug
Phil Stooke
Super-rez note: to merge the layers you don't make them all 20% for 5 layers, 10% for ten layers and so on. Each layer is given a different opacity: layer n gets opacity 1/n. So the background is (has to be ) 100%. layer 2 (photoshop will call it layer 1 by default, but ignore that), above it, is opacity 1/2 or 50%. Layer 3 is 33%, layer 4 25% and so on.

Tim does a 1000% scale increase, as you say. I typically only do 200% or 300% but I'm usually doing it with fewer images and not as precisely as Tim does it. I should say he taught me his method at LPSC one year, though I had experimented with it earlier using IMDISP... does anybody remember IMDISP?

Phil
tedstryk
QUOTE (djellison @ May 28 2005, 08:47 PM)
Ted - what technique are you using for the super res?  Tim Parkers technique is 1000% size, unsharp mask, then stack in photoshop at, say, 20% for 5 images, or 10% for 10 images. I guess the best way to align would be to use 'difference' layer option and move around till you have the lowest ammount of content, before switching back to 'normal'.

For the super-res imaging of the heatshield from Spirit, I did a 500% scale, unsharpmask, then aligned and stacked in registax.

Doug
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My technique is very similar, except that I was only using 400% size - I may try 1000% to see what I get. The difference layering is something I often use for alignment, but on stacks with greatly differing illumination, simply making each layer 50 percent while lining it up befor cutting it back to 10-25 percent, depending on the number of images. Sometimes it improves quality a bit to give a slightly higher opacity to more contrasty images. I didn't do any processing except for noise removal before stacking the images. I did, in some of the stacks, tweak it a bit to make up for the fact that some images didn't cover the whole area, simply brightening them or darkening them and softening their border so there wouldn't be lines going through the image (this is only possible when illumination is similar - some lines were unavoidable). After merging the layers, I use unsharp masking, and usually compress the images back down to between 150% and 300%, depending on the quality of the result.
tedstryk
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 28 2005, 09:18 PM)
Super-rez note:  to merge the layers you don't make them all 20% for 5 layers, 10% for ten layers and so on.  Each layer is given a different opacity: layer n gets opacity 1/n.  So the background is (has to be ) 100%.  layer 2 (photoshop will call it layer 1 by default, but ignore that), above it, is opacity 1/2 or 50%.  Layer 3 is 33%, layer 4 25% and so on.

Tim does a 1000% scale increase, as you say.  I typically only do 200% or 300% but I'm usually doing it with fewer images and not as precisely as Tim does it.  I should say he taught me his method at LPSC one year, though I had experimented with it earlier using IMDISP... does anybody remember IMDISP?

Phil
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That is how I do percentages - if I want 20 % each, I make the layers 100, 50, 33, 25, 20, although sometimes I will make a layer as much as 10% more opaque than it should be if it is of particularly good contrast.
tedstryk
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 28 2005, 09:18 PM)
Super-rez note:  to merge the layers you don't make them all 20% for 5 layers, 10% for ten layers and so on.  Each layer is given a different opacity: layer n gets opacity 1/n.  So the background is (has to be ) 100%.  layer 2 (photoshop will call it layer 1 by default, but ignore that), above it, is opacity 1/2 or 50%.  Layer 3 is 33%, layer 4 25% and so on.

Tim does a 1000% scale increase, as you say.  I typically only do 200% or 300% but I'm usually doing it with fewer images and not as precisely as Tim does it.  I should say he taught me his method at LPSC one year, though I had experimented with it earlier using IMDISP... does anybody remember IMDISP?

Phil
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I tried at 1000 percent, although the final product is considerably reduced. This shows part of the crater rim visible from Viking 1. I used a few frames from both cameras. This is the part of the crater with maximum image overlap.

Phil Stooke
I should say I agree with Ted about increasing the opacity value for the better images in the sequence - the 100, 50, 33, 25 etc. sequence is an ideal giving identical weighting. But it is often desirable to give more weight to the better images - more contrast in Viking's case, maybe, or in Voyager images from a multispectral sequence more weight to filters which show more contrast or sharpness. I usually sharpen each image a bit afdter enlarging but before combining.

Phil
4th rock from the sun
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 28 2005, 01:44 PM)
Nice color, 4th rock! 

I think the overhanging boulder features are an artifact of the sky painting.  Sky color covering a place where the top of a rock was similar in appearance to the sky.  Is it possible to look at that area and see if it needs attention?  This is not to take anything away from the image, which is very nice.  But I think it's a bit misleading at that point.

Phil
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Yes, I agree. I had to paint the sky because that part of the image was over exposed. When the image gain was corrected the sky part became dark gray and very unreal. Just pasting color data over it didn't solve the problem, as the luminance level was very low. So I used the magic wand tool in Photoshop with a very low tolerance (8) to select the sky area and paint it with a more natural color.

I'll try to correct the horizon using data from the lowres RGB images.
tedstryk
QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 29 2005, 09:26 PM)
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 28 2005, 01:44 PM)
Nice color, 4th rock! 

I think the overhanging boulder features are an artifact of the sky painting.  Sky color covering a place where the top of a rock was similar in appearance to the sky.  Is it possible to look at that area and see if it needs attention?  This is not to take anything away from the image, which is very nice.  But I think it's a bit misleading at that point.

Phil
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Yes, I agree. I had to paint the sky because that part of the image was over exposed. When the image gain was corrected the sky part became dark gray and very unreal. Just pasting color data over it didn't solve the problem, as the luminance level was very low. So I used the magic wand tool in Photoshop with a very low tolerance (8) to select the sky area and paint it with a more natural color.

I'll try to correct the horizon using data from the lowres RGB images.
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I hadn't thought of doing that! That problem has crippled my Viking color images - The ground looks right and the sky goes gray, or sometimes some other garish color...then in correcting the sky the whole image begins to look oversaturated and color cast. I will try your technique.
4th rock from the sun
Hi again,

Just to say that I finally took the time put on-line several more RGB images from the Viking landers on my site.


http://www.astrosurf.com/nunes/explor/explor_vik.htm

There are some LRGB hires images there that might be interesting! Just click on the long strips smile.gif
Bob Shaw
Ricardo:

Slightly OT, but have you any links to DEMs for Mars and other places (other than the old VistaPro jobs)?

Bob
tedstryk
QUOTE (4th rock from the sun @ May 29 2005, 09:35 PM)
Hi again,

Just to say that I finally took the time put on-line several more RGB images from the Viking landers on my site.


http://www.astrosurf.com/nunes/explor/explor_vik.htm

There are some LRGB hires images there that might be interesting! Just click on the long strips  smile.gif
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Great work!
tedstryk
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ May 29 2005, 02:26 PM)
I should say I agree with Ted about increasing the opacity value for the better images in the sequence - the 100, 50, 33, 25 etc. sequence is an ideal giving identical weighting.  But it is often desirable to give more weight to the better images - more contrast in Viking's case, maybe, or in Voyager images from a multispectral sequence more weight to filters which show more contrast or sharpness.  I usually sharpen each image a bit afdter enlarging but before combining.

Phil
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Here is another. This one uses pre-sharpened images.

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