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Nov 6 2010, 12:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
I'm confused. The first two images below are from this NASA/JPL page, the third is from The Planetary Society Blog.
The sizes indicated for Hartley vary widely. Which is it? Edited: to reflect a change in The Planetary Society Blog image which now is in rough agreement with the far left image. The center image is still a problem which is strange since it and the left image are both on the same web page. It looks like that center image should read 0.5km rather than 0.5 miles? |
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Nov 6 2010, 12:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 796 Joined: 27-February 08 From: Heart of Europe Member No.: 4057 |
I think that 1.25 miles/2 km is length of longer axis and 1.2 km is medium diameter.
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Nov 6 2010, 12:35 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 813 Joined: 8-February 04 From: Arabia Terra Member No.: 12 |
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Nov 6 2010, 12:45 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1421 Joined: 26-July 08 Member No.: 4270 |
Movie of the flyby imagery here, seems to show some images we haven't seen.
http://epoxi.umd.edu/3gallery/vid_20101104_approach.shtml (requires quicktime) -------------------- -- Hungry4info (Sirius_Alpha)
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Nov 6 2010, 03:28 AM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
I'm confused. The first two images below are from this NASA/JPL page, teh third is from The Planetary Society Blog. The sizes indicated for Hartley vary widely. Which is it? That is what is known as a "mistake." I'd gotten the Photoshop file ready for inclusion of Hartley 2 before the Arecibo observations, so I didn't have the new diameter, and I forgot to update it in my hurry today. There's a new version of the image now; thanks for pointing out the error. -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Nov 6 2010, 05:50 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
...There's a new version of the image now; thanks for pointing out the error. I've edited my post to reflect your change. But there still seems to be a problem with agreement between the two NASA/JPL page images. Looks like that 0.5 miles on the center image should be 0.5km?
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Nov 6 2010, 05:02 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Just be patient. They haven't had time yet to come to agreement on an official new diameter for Hartley 2. They have to get the final navigation solution to be sure of range to the target, figure out what angle they're seeing the long axis at, etc etc. There's no point in them issuing a number that they'll have to correct later. They're using whole- and half-kilometer estimates and then doing low-precision conversions to Imperial units. Just be patient and we'll eventually see an official diameter announced. Consider everything between now and then to be imprecise, plus or minus 50%.
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Nov 6 2010, 05:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: 10-December 06 From: Atlanta Member No.: 1472 |
Returning to the question of the Hartley 2 shape and whether sublimation can cause such a shape, I ran a simple simulation; starting from a spherical shape and solving the sublimation differential equation in time for different rotation axis angles. For alpha=0 (i.e. axis perpendicular to the orbital plane, the arrow points to sun), the object elongates and then develops a waist. For alpha=90, it morphs into a discoid shape. For alpha=30 and 60, the shape looks like a bottle and a bullet, respectively. Of course, this is a very simplified model (starting from a perfect sphere, no shadowing...), but it shows that sublimation is one of the forces shaping a comet shape.
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Nov 6 2010, 07:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
Nice work siravan!
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Nov 6 2010, 09:14 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Zagreb, Croatia Member No.: 240 |
A couple of amazing facts about Hartley 2.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/ And btw. great, great science blog! |
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Nov 6 2010, 10:11 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Boy, no kidding nice work, Siravan! Heck, I'd call it fundamental work! The bowling-pin shape seems much less mysterious now.
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Nov 6 2010, 10:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1729 Joined: 3-August 06 From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E Member No.: 1004 |
the only problem that I see with the model is the assumption of starting with a sphere. what would happen with other, more likely shapes?
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Nov 6 2010, 10:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
A couple of amazing facts about Hartley 2. http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/ From the blog: "Unlike other comets, with their tails made mostly of ice, melting into water, the tail of Comet Hartley is mostly rocky dust and carbon dioxide.... Because it's not a traditional comet; it's an asteroid that simply got too close to the Sun!" Really? Is this an accepted interpretation? |
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Nov 6 2010, 10:29 PM
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full inline quote removed - ADMIN
yeah, would any asteroid behave like a comet if "coming too close to the sun"?!? |
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Nov 6 2010, 10:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1729 Joined: 3-August 06 From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E Member No.: 1004 |
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