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Extricating Spirit, Digging out from Troy
briv1016
post Nov 7 2009, 04:13 PM
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5 downsampled navcam frames from sol 2078 are down. Someone might want to make an animation. wink.gif
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jamescanvin
post Nov 18 2009, 12:55 PM
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Sunspot,
My impression from the line:

"As the rover began its first move, it sensed that its roll was outside the allowed limit and safely stopped the drive."

Is that the roll of the vehicle was *already* out off allowable drive limits before even starting the drive. i.e there was a mismatch between the actual roll of the vehicle and what the drivers thought it was when setting the limits. As soon as the first roll limit check was made after the drive started, this was discovered and the drive stopped.


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post Nov 18 2009, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Nov 18 2009, 01:55 PM) *
My impression... Is that the roll of the vehicle was *already* out off allowable drive limits before even starting the drive. i.e there was a mismatch between the actual roll of the vehicle and what the drivers thought it was when setting the limits.

My original interpretation was that the change in roll after starting the drive exceeded the limit. But this quote from the update supports your conclusion:
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From this limited drive the team now has a more accurate measurement of vehicle roll and pitch that will be used for subsequent drive planning.


Still, answering Centsworth's question from above, there definitely was a roll during the short drive attempt. Compare hazcams from 2088 and 2079. In both front and rear cases, the horizon tilts between 2079 and 2088, which means there was a roll. The direction of roll that causes that change in horizon tilt is down on Spirit's left side/up on her right side. My guess would be down on the left rather/more than up on right. So that means she's sunk a bit deeper into Scamander on her left.

But from those same hazcams you can also estimate the angle of the roll. In both cameras, the horizon rises by about 1 pixel on Spirit's left side from 2079 to 2088. It's unclear exactly what to take as the long arm of the rotation, plus there are significant distortions in these hazcameras, but that gives roughly a roll angle of 0.05 to 0.1 degree. That agrees surprizingly well with Centsworth's estimate of the roll based on the drop in z above.

One last comment that no one's made yet, before I blow Emily's analysis-to-drive-duration ratio completely through the roof: I definitely see the drive stopping prematurely as good news. The images showed very depressing progress had the drive proceeded for the planned 5 metres. But very little progress in less than one second is just fine. smile.gif
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- briv1016   Extricating Spirit   Nov 7 2009, 04:13 PM
- - Sunspot   confused Juggling 3 different time zones here   Nov 16 2009, 05:53 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Nov 16 2009, 12:53 PM) J...   Nov 16 2009, 06:02 PM
- - elakdawalla   Sorry to have added to the confusion. It's no...   Nov 16 2009, 06:08 PM
- - Burmese   I imagine 'Showtime' meant the commands we...   Nov 16 2009, 07:38 PM
- - fredk   According to the press briefing last week, the pla...   Nov 16 2009, 08:17 PM
- - imipak   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Nov 16 2009, 05:53 PM) c...   Nov 16 2009, 11:12 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (imipak @ Nov 17 2009, 12:12 AM) Ac...   Nov 17 2009, 03:43 PM
- - Floyd   This thread started when briv1016 noticed that the...   Nov 16 2009, 11:57 PM
- - Astro0   Like the extrication process is going to be, a mov...   Nov 17 2009, 12:04 AM
- - brellis   Are there hazcam pics from the test rovers going t...   Nov 17 2009, 12:12 AM
- - briv1016   Small blurb about the upcoming drive: http://mars...   Nov 17 2009, 02:45 AM
- - Astro0   I hadn't seen these mentioned elsewhere in thi...   Nov 17 2009, 10:33 AM
- - Hungry4info   I'll see about building a movie over time as t...   Nov 17 2009, 01:35 PM
- - AndyG   Flash would seem to be the best way to import gifs...   Nov 17 2009, 01:58 PM
- - djellison   Youtube will actually take almost anything, and co...   Nov 17 2009, 02:03 PM
- - Ant103   Thanks for the link to the vidéo Astro0, I'll ...   Nov 17 2009, 02:45 PM
- - jamescanvin   Some data on the tracking site now! Movement ...   Nov 17 2009, 03:39 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Nov 17 2009, 04:39 P...   Nov 17 2009, 04:01 PM
- - Tesheiner   > Movement of a few tenths of a mm Actually, a...   Nov 17 2009, 03:52 PM
- - jamescanvin   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Nov 17 2009, 03:52 PM)...   Nov 17 2009, 04:11 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Nov 17 2009, 05:11 P...   Nov 17 2009, 04:27 PM
||- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 17 2009, 05:27 PM) Cou...   Nov 17 2009, 05:09 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Nov 17 2009, 11:11 A...   Nov 17 2009, 05:10 PM
- - djellison   Unless I'm very much mistaken (and that's ...   Nov 17 2009, 04:36 PM
- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Nov 17 2009, 05:11 P...   Nov 17 2009, 04:54 PM
- - jamescanvin   I'm pretty sure that they are from the IMU. I...   Nov 17 2009, 05:12 PM
- - elakdawalla   Just a fact check here -- was sol 1898 the last so...   Nov 17 2009, 05:44 PM
- - PhilCo126   Correct, Spirit got dug in on 6th May 2009 (sol 18...   Nov 17 2009, 07:15 PM
- - jamescanvin   I think it is a bit of a stretch to say Spirit got...   Nov 17 2009, 07:38 PM
- - elakdawalla   Thank you both! (F5, F5, F5, F5...still looki...   Nov 17 2009, 07:41 PM
- - fredk   As Tesheiner wrote above, the jpegs shouldn't ...   Nov 17 2009, 07:45 PM
- - Sunspot   The exploratorium site must be broken again   Nov 17 2009, 07:46 PM
- - Tesheiner   It's still 20:30UTC per my account. UTC = G...   Nov 17 2009, 08:30 PM
- - fredk   Right on cue, the images are up at exploratorium: ...   Nov 17 2009, 08:41 PM
- - briv1016   Where did you guys find that time BTW?   Nov 17 2009, 08:43 PM
- - Tesheiner   The explotratorium is sync'ed four times a day...   Nov 17 2009, 08:50 PM
- - Tesheiner   Back to business, to our "armchair analysis...   Nov 17 2009, 08:57 PM
- - fredk   Do you mean the 20:40 time? I've just noticed...   Nov 17 2009, 08:57 PM
- - Tesheiner   AFAIK, the images correspond to the end of the dri...   Nov 17 2009, 09:11 PM
- - djellison   Fred - your anim is good - I think we see the RR w...   Nov 17 2009, 10:15 PM
- - mhoward   Don't know what it tells us, if anything, but ...   Nov 17 2009, 11:24 PM
- - mhoward   And for completeness, here's the right middle ...   Nov 17 2009, 11:25 PM
- - briv1016   Apparently today’s drive only lasted 1 second. ht...   Nov 17 2009, 11:29 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (briv1016 @ Nov 17 2009, 06:29 PM) ...   Nov 18 2009, 12:04 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (briv1016 @ Nov 17 2009, 03:29 PM) ...   Nov 18 2009, 12:14 AM
|- - centsworth_II   "...The rover has a top speed on flat hard gr...   Nov 18 2009, 01:14 AM
- - Astro0   MIs from sol2076(2frames) and sol2088(1frame) Anim...   Nov 17 2009, 11:30 PM
|- - pac56   QUOTE (Astro0 @ Nov 17 2009, 06:30 PM) MI...   Nov 18 2009, 12:20 AM
- - elakdawalla   I just have to comment that the last day's wor...   Nov 18 2009, 01:30 AM
- - lyford   QUOTE I just have to comment that the last day...   Nov 18 2009, 01:40 AM
- - MarkG   Oh, what the heck, let's get wildly speculativ...   Nov 18 2009, 04:22 AM
- - centsworth_II   According to the update: "A tight limit on ...   Nov 18 2009, 05:05 AM
|- - MahFL   Patience fellows.....the next drive will be huge.....   Nov 18 2009, 11:50 AM
|- - MahFL   BTW, what was the normal tilt and roll limit, and ...   Nov 18 2009, 11:51 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 18 2009, 06:51 AM) BTW...   Nov 18 2009, 01:27 PM
- - Sunspot   Did the rovers tilt change during the drive attemp...   Nov 18 2009, 11:58 AM
- - jamescanvin   Sunspot, My impression from the line: "As t...   Nov 18 2009, 12:55 PM
|- - MahFL   I got the impression it was 1 degree from where th...   Nov 18 2009, 01:11 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Nov 18 2009, 01:55 P...   Nov 18 2009, 04:10 PM
|- - marsophile   QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 18 2009, 09:10 AM) Sti...   Nov 18 2009, 08:32 PM
- - centsworth_II   Using 145cm wheelbase and 1 degree angle I get 2.5...   Nov 18 2009, 01:03 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Nov 18 2009, 02:03...   Nov 18 2009, 01:23 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Nov 18 2009, 08:23 AM)...   Nov 18 2009, 01:41 PM
- - Astro0   Not knowing which direction the tilt actually went...   Nov 18 2009, 01:10 PM
- - djellison   A polite reminder repeated from earlier... This i...   Nov 18 2009, 01:25 PM
- - Steve Holtam   Another armchair rover driver here. In that one s...   Nov 18 2009, 06:01 PM
- - fredk   I think we can answer that. Looking carefully at ...   Nov 18 2009, 07:05 PM
|- - MahFL   "Progress ?" was there any forward progr...   Nov 18 2009, 07:17 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 18 2009, 02:05 PM) ......   Nov 18 2009, 07:57 PM
- - tacitus   Given that they are expecting to drive many meters...   Nov 18 2009, 07:31 PM
- - fredk   Pretty sure. Flip between the 2079 fhaz image: ht...   Nov 18 2009, 08:58 PM
- - centsworth_II   I used an incorrect wheelbase dimension in my prev...   Nov 18 2009, 09:04 PM
- - Astro0   So, the less 'scary' version based on ever...   Nov 18 2009, 09:34 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Astro0 @ Nov 18 2009, 04:34 PM) So...   Nov 18 2009, 10:09 PM
- - Astro0   Sol2088 Navcams taken at 13:37.52 and 13:41.40 loc...   Nov 18 2009, 10:25 PM
- - fredk   According to marssciencegrad it looks like there...   Nov 18 2009, 10:51 PM
- - briv1016   Second drive should be similar to the first: http...   Nov 19 2009, 12:41 AM
- - djellison   The second commanded drive is similar to the first...   Nov 19 2009, 08:10 AM
- - Tesheiner   Some data flowing in the tracking web. Dunno how m...   Nov 19 2009, 06:40 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Nov 19 2009, 01:40 PM)...   Nov 19 2009, 07:09 PM
- - climber   I do have basic questions here that apparently hav...   Nov 19 2009, 07:25 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (climber @ Nov 19 2009, 02:25 PM) ....   Nov 19 2009, 07:41 PM
- - JohnVV   this is reminding me of something a few years back...   Nov 19 2009, 08:16 PM
- - Burmese   Since the poor RF wheel is stuck with undesirable ...   Nov 19 2009, 08:40 PM
- - fredk   We've got movement! Sol 2088 to 2090: htt...   Nov 19 2009, 08:46 PM
- - Tesheiner   Not only movement but I think the LF wheel has mov...   Nov 19 2009, 08:52 PM
- - centsworth_II   The RF wheel looks to have moved ahead in relation...   Nov 19 2009, 09:00 PM
- - elakdawalla   To play devil's advocate, one reason why the h...   Nov 19 2009, 09:27 PM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 19 2009, 04:27 P...   Nov 19 2009, 09:42 PM
|- - fredk   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Nov 19 2009, 10:27 P...   Nov 19 2009, 10:48 PM
- - Astro0   Rear Haz Doesn't look too bad. I think that ...   Nov 19 2009, 09:37 PM
- - climber   I can see quite some differences in LF . There ar...   Nov 19 2009, 09:40 PM
- - Astro0   MIs sol2088-2090 view to LR wheel. It suggest to...   Nov 19 2009, 09:42 PM
- - Astro0   Centred MI view and Navcam view.   Nov 19 2009, 09:43 PM
|- - centsworth_II   Do I see the pointed rock fading into the distance...   Nov 19 2009, 09:46 PM
|- - Tesheiner   QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Nov 19 2009, 10:46...   Nov 19 2009, 10:40 PM
- - tacitus   This looked extremely promising, though I guess we...   Nov 19 2009, 10:06 PM
- - Steve Holtam   My first contribution: Movement for sure!   Nov 19 2009, 10:17 PM
- - bgarlick   QUOTE (Steve Holtam @ Nov 19 2009, 02:17 ...   Nov 19 2009, 10:38 PM
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