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post Jan 22 2008, 02:59 PM
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JAXA wants to continue with Hayabusa 2. However there is/was a huge fight about the budget. Main problem was the budget for the launch vehicle. 2 months ago or so there was a report which said, that JAXA had to find another launch vehicle or the project gets cancelled. Now the Italian space agency played saviour and overed the VEGA. So finally we might see another Hayabusa in 2011.


It was mentioned here:
http://www.jspec.jaxa.jp/080110Final_IPEWG-ProgramBook.pdf
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post Dec 23 2010, 08:08 PM
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Here's the English version:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T101223003538.htm

"The government will give the science ministry the full amount--3 billion yen--it requested for development of the Hayabusa 2 space probe in the fiscal 2011 budget, sources said...."

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post Dec 24 2010, 09:15 AM
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I have got this feeling that we may shift this topic into Hayabusa 2 which already exsists. The reason is that Hayabusa 1's news will continue to come in, I think, in the next year and it might become confusing to talk about the two within the same stream...

Perhaps, I should have done just that myself in the first place, if I come to think about it...

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post Jan 25 2011, 10:10 AM
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Another crazy thought... I was not sure where I should put this in and in the end chose this place. I am still talking about the need for engineering cameras.

Although, not directory relevant to interplanetatry missions, I tell you one episode about Hayabusa's capsule helicopter recovery. Heat shield and its inrared signnature and all that.

They did a rehearsal before hand, and what they used was a traditional Japanese feet warmer used in your bed filled with warm water. These things used to be made of corrugated metals, but increasingly these are now made of plastics, to hold warm water inside them.

I do not use one, as I use my electric bluncket, but there are still people, eldery people, who prefer these traditional warmers. Having said that, let me come to the main issue, engineering cameras.

With Hayabusa Minerva was lost (and only one image returned to earth, I think), and it must have been a very expensive system. However, prior to that deployment they sent a target marker down to the surface of the asteroid. That thing was remarkably primitive, with multi-rfelection surfaces, but what it boiled down to was another traditional thing, called ohajiki, for mainly small girls to play with.

Ohajiki is made of small beans and enclosed in a cloth (here on earth, that is) container to make it roughly round, about 5 cm in diam. With Hayabusa, two of them was used, as I remember, and the idea was that on landing they do not rebounce.

Now, if we have an engineering camara, with a fish eye lens attached to it, can we not forget about MINERVA kind of sophisticated and expensive monitoring devices? Whether angle setting is right or not should not matter as long as a fish eye lens is attached with the marker. It does not be firmly fixed, for cost saving, I think.

If we can arrange for that kind of markers, then we should be able to see what is coming down from above, and even what went wrong on landing, etc, etc. Of course, we should have another camera on board the probe itself.

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- spdf   Mission: Hayabusa 2   Jan 22 2008, 02:59 PM
- - maschnitz   I was trying to hunt around for word on what happe...   Jan 29 2009, 03:28 AM
- - Holder of the Two Leashes   Not a great advertisement for translation software...   Jan 29 2009, 04:44 PM
- - maschnitz   So he's saying, basically - now or never on Ha...   Jan 29 2009, 07:46 PM
- - mps   Hayabusa 2 is currently planned to be launched wit...   Jul 28 2009, 07:32 AM
|- - stevesliva   Fantastic. I love it when successful hardware get...   Jul 28 2009, 05:21 PM
- - Paolo   In the latest issue of Astronomy & Astrophysic...   Aug 29 2009, 07:23 AM
- - Paolo   on arXiv today Spitzer observations of the asteroi...   Oct 2 2009, 05:19 AM
- - Paolo   The latest issue of Nature mentions Hayabusa 2 whi...   Jul 4 2010, 06:41 PM
- - Drkskywxlt   I saw a presentation today on Hayabusa 2 that was ...   Jul 14 2010, 07:47 PM
|- - pandaneko   An article found in today's (15 July) Asahi Sh...   Jul 15 2010, 07:48 AM
|- - pandaneko   Oh, dear! I forgot to mention that Hayabusa 2 ...   Jul 15 2010, 07:56 AM
|- - pandaneko   I now know Hayabusa 2's target. It is 1999JU3....   Jul 15 2010, 01:43 PM
- - Hungry4info   Some diagrams and what-not.   Aug 6 2010, 08:49 PM
|- - pandaneko   There was an article in today's (11 August) Y...   Aug 11 2010, 12:27 PM
||- - pandaneko   My apologies, an explosive charge will be used to ...   Aug 12 2010, 11:37 AM
|||- - pandaneko   Further apologies Please do not blame me. As I lo...   Aug 12 2010, 11:50 AM
||||- - AndyG   A crater that size would mean blasting out over 10...   Aug 12 2010, 03:58 PM
||||- - Drkskywxlt   My understanding is the spacecraft will be in a st...   Aug 12 2010, 06:08 PM
|||- - pandaneko   There was a repeat TV programme on Hayabusa and Ha...   Aug 13 2010, 12:09 PM
|||- - pandaneko   What follows is from WIKI on Hayabusa 2. I had a l...   Aug 14 2010, 08:52 AM
|||- - pandaneko   I should imagine that JAXA itself cannot carry any...   Aug 15 2010, 12:10 PM
|||- - spdf   http://www.planetaryprobe.eu/IPPW7/proceed...sion7...   Aug 16 2010, 01:02 AM
||- - pandaneko   What follows is found on today's (10 Feb. 2012...   Feb 10 2012, 12:13 PM
|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Aug 7 2010, 05:49 AM...   Sep 18 2012, 09:58 AM
|- - Blue Sky   Is Prof. Kawaguchi involved in Hayabusa-2 at all?   Sep 18 2012, 12:10 PM
|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (Blue Sky @ Sep 18 2012, 09:10 PM) ...   Sep 19 2012, 11:30 AM
- - nprev   Thanks, Pandaneko! 10^3 uprating--that's ...   Aug 14 2010, 05:16 PM
- - nprev   GREAT news!!!! P., I know that Em...   Dec 23 2010, 09:40 AM
|- - pandaneko   Yes, though only in Japanese, from the web digest ...   Dec 23 2010, 10:15 AM
- - centsworth_II   Here's the English version: http://www.yomiuri...   Dec 23 2010, 08:08 PM
|- - pandaneko   I have got this feeling that we may shift this top...   Dec 24 2010, 09:15 AM
|- - pandaneko   Another crazy thought... I was not sure where I sh...   Jan 25 2011, 10:10 AM
|- - centsworth_II   QUOTE (pandaneko @ Jan 25 2011, 05:10 AM)...   Jan 25 2011, 11:15 AM
- - Littlebit   As I recall, the problem with the Haybusa sampling...   Jan 26 2011, 05:32 PM
|- - pandaneko   Thank you for clarification of MINERVA's role....   Jan 27 2011, 02:56 PM
- - ZLD   Somewhere I read that the Hyabusa development cost...   Jan 27 2011, 06:47 PM
|- - djellison   QUOTE (ZLD @ Jan 27 2011, 10:47 AM) Also,...   Jan 27 2011, 07:04 PM
- - ZLD   Doh, forgot that one. Thanks for reminding me.   Jan 27 2011, 08:33 PM
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|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (pandaneko @ May 25 2012, 04:28 PM)...   Jun 9 2012, 05:44 AM
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|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (pandaneko @ Jul 2 2012, 06:13 PM) ...   Jan 2 2013, 12:49 PM
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|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (pandaneko @ Dec 31 2012, 07:51 AM)...   Jan 1 2013, 10:30 AM
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- - centsworth_II   From "Small carry-on impactor of Hayabusa2 m...   Jan 3 2013, 09:37 PM
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|- - pandaneko   What follows is from MSN-Sankei newspaper dated 07...   Mar 19 2013, 08:41 AM
- - Explorer1   Wow! Now that's dedication to PR! Yes,...   Mar 19 2013, 05:01 PM
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- - monty python   I love these send your name things. I can show sup...   Apr 8 2013, 05:32 AM
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- - punkboi   You can now submit your name on The Planetary Soci...   Apr 16 2013, 12:36 AM
|- - pandaneko   I have checked with JAXA HP in English, but I coul...   Apr 30 2013, 08:33 AM
|- - stone   " 2 piggy-backs to be launched with Hayabusa ...   Apr 30 2013, 12:52 PM
|- - TheAnt   QUOTE (pandaneko @ Apr 30 2013, 10:33 AM)...   Apr 30 2013, 07:01 PM
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|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jan 31 2014, 05:18 PM) a r...   Apr 7 2014, 01:19 AM
||- - Tom Dahl   Thank you very much for the translations!   Apr 7 2014, 04:49 PM
|- - pandaneko   QUOTE (Paolo @ Jan 31 2014, 05:18 PM) a r...   Apr 7 2014, 11:05 PM
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- - Astro0   Fantastic work Pandaneko. Thank you so much for tr...   Apr 10 2014, 11:19 AM
- - vikingmars   Yes : thanks a lot Pandaneko for your translation....   May 25 2014, 03:17 PM
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