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Feb 8 2019, 02:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2542 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Some diminutive seems inevitable. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin her family referred to her as "Ros".
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Feb 8 2019, 05:59 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14434 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Indeed - she was not messing around- from that same Wiki Page...
QUOTE Raacke asked her how she was to be called and she replied "I'm afraid it will have to be Rosalind", adding "Most definitely not Rosy."
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Feb 8 2019, 07:07 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
The spaceships are Webb, Kepler, Cassini, Galileo, Schiaparelli, and Hubble, not Jimmy, Joe, Gio, Gali, Gio, or Eddie. There is one notable exception to this rule, BepiColombo, which uses the man's full name. I beg of you, please do not perpetuate the disrespect of calling the rover by Franklin's first name. If we intend the name as an honor to her memory, then the rover's name is Franklin or Rosalind Franklin.
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Feb 8 2019, 08:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3241 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
Only JWST uses the full name of person it's named after.
mcaplinger, the same wikipedia article also says "In the family, she was called "Ros". To others, she was simply 'Rosalind'." I punt on this issue. The rover's name is Rosalind Franklin. use a text expander or shortcut if you have to. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Feb 8 2019, 08:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
How about RF?
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Feb 8 2019, 09:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2106 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
I like the name, and it's a nice change and tribute to an underappreciated figure in biology. I wouldn't want to forever stick to abstract concepts and acronyms for spacecraft names.
If character limits are ever at a premium, stick with ExoMars (just like MSL or MRO). |
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Feb 8 2019, 09:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
The trouble is that a lot of people think of planetary rovers as their little metal friends, requiring an easy informal monniker of some kind, whereas they don't tend to feel that way about space telescopes. It's a difficult requirement to square with respectful commemoration of a scientist, especially one of relatively recent memory.
EDIT: Just to be clear I can see the merits of both. Honouring scientific achievement is a great thing, but so is the fact that ordinary people want to be pals with the robots who are their eyes on other worlds. |
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Feb 10 2019, 09:47 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
FYI, an abbreviation is a shortening of a longer word or phrase. A diminutive is a term that implies the smallness or an attitude of intimacy towards the referent. (E.g., "Bill" is an abbreviation of "William" while "Billy" is a diminutive.) Abbreviating Rosalind Franklin is apt to imply a diminutive.
In life, Rosalind Franklin was diminished by the theft of her work. In this new life for her name, I'll call the rover Rosalind Franklin. That has the same number of syllables as "phyllosilicates" and "Meridiani" and four fewer than "en-gee-cee thirty eight forty two" or "unknown ultraviolet absorber." It won't injure anyone's jaw to say it, and the extra half second can be used to remember how many women in science have had their perceived importance subtracted along with their names. |
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May 30 2019, 12:58 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 12-December 16 Member No.: 8089 |
Just in case anybody missed it, Rosalind Franklin's Russian space uber also got a name as well – Kazachok!
The trouble is that a lot of people think of planetary rovers as their little metal friends, requiring an easy informal monniker of some kind, whereas they don't tend to feel that way about space telescopes. I honestly felt that way about Kepler to an unhealthy point that I often forgot about the actual Johannes Kepler... |
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Aug 9 2019, 06:40 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10226 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Several sources, but especially Anatoly Zak, are reporting the ExoMars2020 parachute test just failed. Not a good sign at all for an upcoming launch. Parachutes are difficult.
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Aug 9 2019, 08:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3241 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
Better to find out now then at Mars.
Last I heard the rover was still a go, but that was maybe 3 months ago when TGO adjusted its orbit for the rover (increased inclination from 73 to 74 degrees). -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Aug 9 2019, 10:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 30-December 05 Member No.: 628 |
Of course Sojourner Truth's first name, taken alone, basically means "Rover".
Does that make it a rule-proving exception? |
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Aug 10 2019, 02:19 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2106 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
Several sources, but especially Anatoly Zak, are reporting the ExoMars2020 parachute test just failed. Not a good sign at all for an upcoming launch. Parachutes are difficult. Phil It's interesting that parachute design is so different that knowledge and expertise from all the previous successful missions isn't as relevant; is there any technical reason they're not as reliable as thrusters and heatshield? MSL (and 2020), as well as the Vikings were much heavier; I would have JPL on speed-dial! Some more (Google translated) details from a Twitter post: QUOTE Parachute problem of the #ExoMars mission during a test in Sweden: only the pilot parachute worked. The copy of the lander, which fell faster than expected, will be recovered in the coming days. There will be more tests in the coming months From https://twitter.com/andreabettini/status/1159848497761280002 |
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Aug 10 2019, 02:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2542 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
-------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Aug 10 2019, 12:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 965 Joined: 15-June 09 From: Lisbon, Portugal Member No.: 4824 |
... the ExoMars2020 parachute test just failed... Hi Phil, I highlighted the word just because there has been an ESA report on parachute failure dated from June 28.Are you referring to a different, more recent, test? Fernando |
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