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Aug 25 2005, 07:32 PM
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Will SMILE fly to Mars with ESA's ExoMars??
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:ayPuf8...a+exomars&hl=de -------------------- - blue_scape / Nico -
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Aug 25 2005, 08:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
QUOTE SigurRosFan(Posted Today, 02:32 PM) The ESA Technology, Mars Organic Analyzer to detect the life in the crust is interesting but if I think that the Mars life was more than 3 thoushands millions years ago (I don't agree with billions and it means millions millions!), then the amino must be very vanished comparing to ones of Atacama Desert. The desert Atacama was covered by ocean probably about 20-40 millions years ago. So by that land there must be some fossils and amino compositions. The north of Chile and South of Peru have one of the most dry places of the world with almost no precipitation and there have plenty of dunes on lower lands and rocky on upper land, the ladden of Andean mountain chain. Rodolfo |
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Aug 25 2005, 08:28 PM
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One reason that NASA decided not to fly a 1-meter soil drill on MSL is that it will, in any case, carry a small drill capable of coring samples from several cm beneath the surface of sedimentary rocks -- and it is actually far likelier that ancient biochemical fossil remains can survive in those places, sealed off completely from Mars' surface oxidants, than that they can survive a meter down in its current soil.
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Aug 25 2005, 08:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 24-August 05 Member No.: 471 |
Sorry. Wrong link.
MOA will fly definitely(!) to Mars. I mean SMILE (Specific Molecular Identification of Life Experiment). "The criteria for ExoMars are tough. Researchers hoping to get a place on the craft have to design a device that will look for biomarkers but not exceed 3 kg in mass or measure more than 16x16x20 cm." http://www.nature.com/materials/news/news/.../050620-15.html -------------------- - blue_scape / Nico -
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Jan 31 2006, 01:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 370 Joined: 12-September 05 From: France Member No.: 495 |
Alcatel Alenia Space starts the ExoMars mission design
http://www.alcatel.com/vpr/;jsessionid=111...equestid=451784 This contract, worth about 13 million Euros, calls for one year mission design work up to the preliminary design review including the definition of the main system elements of the mission. EDIT : Link corrected, thanks to Vikingmars. |
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Jan 31 2006, 03:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
Here is the missing link :
http://www.alcatel.com/vpr/;jsessionid=111...equestid=451784 QUOTE (Rakhir @ Jan 31 2006, 02:25 PM) Alcatel Alenia Space starts the ExoMars mission design
http://www.alcatel.com/vpr/?body=http://ww...eKey/31012006uk This contract, worth about 13 million Euros, calls for one year mission design work up to the preliminary design review including the definition of the main system elements of the mission. |
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Feb 13 2006, 11:39 PM
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Excerpt from the February 13, 2006, issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology:
World News & Analysis U.S. Moon Focus Provides Opportunities for Europe on Mars, Science Aviation Week & Space Technology 02/13/2006, page 44 Michael A. Taverna Paris and Toulouse [...] "The main objective of the European Space Agency's Aurora exploration program, launched in December, is Mars. ExoMars--a 2011 lander/rover mission intended as a precursor for a Mars Sample Return (MSR) flight--will lead off. "Funding for ExoMars is already well beyond the requested 593-million-euro budget envelope. ESA has 651 million euros in commitments to date, and is likely to exceed 700 million euros with the likely participation of Canada. "Although the extra money could be used to add an orbiter to ExoMars, ESA is leaning toward earmarking the funds for MSR, which is already expected to get the lion's share of 73 million euros in Aurora technology funding (AW&ST Jan. 23, p. 15). 'Interest in MSR has definitely gone up a notch,' said Alain Pradier, who heads Aurora's technology office. Noting that NASA recently pushed back its date for MSR to the end of the next decade, while ESA continues to target a first mission in 2016-18, Pradier said ESA might even be willing to take a lead role in MSR--or at least act as the focal point for international collaboration. "European officials acknowledged ESA is not yet in a position to do this. For one thing, said Richard Bonneville, who heads solar system exploration at French space agency CNES, Italy--the only European space power with an expanding budget--is showing a strong interest in the Moon. But he noted that the European science community has consistently backed the Martian preference. The final road map for ESA's Cosmic Vision science program for 2015-25, issued in October, lists planetary exploration as one of four themes to be pursued, and Mars figures prominently on the roster of exploration goals." |
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Mar 16 2006, 01:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 370 Joined: 12-September 05 From: France Member No.: 495 |
Europe Mars shot looks to upgrade
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4812556.stm The consequences of the US science budget cuttings on Exomars mission. |
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Mar 16 2006, 06:00 PM
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Europe Mars shot looks to upgrade http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4812556.stm The consequences of the US science budget cuttings on Exomars mission. Don't underestimate the "nationalistic" angle, Rakhir. "[Converting the ExoMars carrier spacecraft into an orbiter, Vago] said, would allow the European mission 'to gain some independence from MRO' and also pave the way for 'a follow-up to the excellent science Mars Express is conducting today.' "Going down the route of using MRO as a relay means ExoMars would have to compete for time on the orbiter with Nasa's Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) rover, due to launch in 2009." |
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Apr 25 2006, 02:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
The technology for this "lab on a chip" sounds amazing, but since it seems
pretty clear that any existing life on Mars is probably deep underground, what can they hope to find with it just from analysing the surface? Waste products from the creatures that drift upwards? Dead bodies? No, I am not being facetious. Life-Marker Chip Planned For ESA Mars Lander http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Life_Mar...ars_Lander.html -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Apr 25 2006, 08:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 688 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Sweden Member No.: 273 |
The technology for this "lab on a chip" sounds amazing, but since it seems pretty clear that any existing life on Mars is probably deep underground, what can they hope to find with it just from analysing the surface? Waste products from the creatures that drift upwards? Dead bodies? No, I am not being facetious. A great deal. There has been a lot of progress in recent years in identifying bio-marker molecules that indicate the one-time existance of a variety of life forms (cyanobacteria, methanogens, eucaryotes etc) and which are stable enough to last billions of years here on Earth. The main problem is the possibly strongly oxidizing chemistry of Martian topsoil, so it would probably be advisable to crush rocks and analyze the interior. tty |
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May 26 2006, 03:03 AM
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Even though the American Mars program has been cut back, it's nice to know that there will still be one more "M.E.R." going to Mars. Here is a recent look at the 2011 ExoMars Rover as it drives off of its airbag-assisted lander. http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/aurora...rslander_HI.jpg This image is from ESA. Another Phil |
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May 26 2006, 04:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1281 Joined: 18-December 04 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 124 |
That's a really nice pic - looks like the drill is included? Like the "chrome" finish
I really like the mission overlap as well - MSL should still be kicking by then... Heck, MERs may even last until Phoenix lands! More here... -------------------- Lyford Rome
"Zis is not nuts, zis is super-nuts!" Mathematician Richard Courant on viewing an Orion test |
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May 26 2006, 04:14 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/aurora...rslander_HI.jpg This image is from ESA. That's a neat trick getting it to roll to a stop at the top of a nice hill! Nice looking rover EDIT: Husband Hill summit in the background of this one if I'm not mistaken. http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyw...&start=6&size=b James -------------------- |
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May 26 2006, 04:39 AM
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I suspect ESA is not going to be able to come anywhere close to cramming all of their currently planned instrument payload onto that little rover. In particular, I suspect the drill may have to get the boot. By the way, I have found the text description of that drill, assuming that it is indeed the same one that Italy was originally supposed to provide for Dan Goldin's hallucinatory 2003 Mars Sample Return mission. (The previously included drawings, unfortunately, have been removed from the website.)
http://ars.asi.it/bandi/marte2003/drill-ao-pip.html |
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