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post Nov 8 2006, 11:50 AM
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Did nobody notice this:

Ground Team Stays Busy on 10th Anniversary of NASA Mars Launch

Ten year after launch, there is some trouble with a solar array motor and a comm problem probably resulting from this and entering safe mode. Nothing dramatic yet, but something to follow closely.

There are other things than MRO and MER smile.gifsmile.gif

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post Apr 16 2007, 03:37 PM
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That was an excellent summary, Don -- it demonstrates what I've been saying all along, that the limitations on most every human endeavor have more to do with financial and schedule pressures than they do with the limits of our technology or imagination.

Now, as we all know, there are a lot of ways to automate the processes you discuss. Heck, back in Gemini days, more than 40 years ago, command loads to the Agena target vehicles were sent up pretty much exactly as you describe, here. But even back then, they had an automatic comparator that would check the command load as sent against the command load as received by the Agena. Only when that comparator failed did they end up digging through printouts of the command loads to verify that the load was properly received.

Now, that's not exactly the same as comparing an actual command load to a desired command load, but its similar in process. And thus, the technology to error-check a lot of this stuff has been around for a long time.

As you have so effectively pointed out, the ground support stuff is usually designed (or used off-the-shelf) to do its job, bare-bones, no extras. Error trapping is almost non-existent.

And lest anyone think that this is just an issue with ESA's efforts, recall that an average command load to the MERs requires most of an individual's workday to prepare -- seven or eight hours. We all know it's *possible* to create error-trapping front-end software for such things that would allow a rover driver to tell the front-end interface: "We want to drive 20 meters in this specific direction, take the following image series, and then prepare for an overnight Odyssey pass." It's very possible to set it up so that creating and radiating the appropriate command series would take the rover driver 10 or 15 minutes, and the front-end would ensure that all commands sent to the spacecraft would be safe and properly executable. Why isn't it done like that? Probably because it would have cost too much in time and money to develop such a front-end system in the first place...

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- Analyst   MGS in Trouble   Nov 8 2006, 11:50 AM
- - Zvezdichko   Any news regarding the images of HRSC?   Dec 13 2006, 06:52 PM
- - tuvas   I just found out that the MRO star tracker success...   Dec 15 2006, 06:27 AM
- - elakdawalla   A tumbling spacecraft is an out-of-control spacecr...   Dec 20 2006, 06:49 PM
|- - tuvas   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Dec 20 2006, 11:49 A...   Dec 20 2006, 06:58 PM
- - djellison   Well - tumbling would suggest ACS failure - and AC...   Dec 20 2006, 06:52 PM
- - djellison   Problem is - you could have tumbling in an axis th...   Dec 20 2006, 07:16 PM
- - Zvezdichko   That's pretty strange. We had contact on 5th N...   Dec 21 2006, 08:31 PM
- - gpurcell   From NasaWatch's LiveBlog on MEPAG "We t...   Jan 9 2007, 04:31 PM
|- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (gpurcell @ Jan 9 2007, 06:31 AM) I...   Jan 10 2007, 06:20 PM
- - PhilCo126   NASA still didn't announce an official " ...   Jan 9 2007, 06:46 PM
- - Sunspot   Oh Dear............... human error   Jan 10 2007, 07:27 PM
|- - Bob Shaw   QUOTE (Sunspot @ Jan 10 2007, 07:27 PM) O...   Jan 10 2007, 09:37 PM
||- - AlexBlackwell   QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Jan 10 2007, 11:37 AM) ...   Jan 10 2007, 09:39 PM
|- - Lorne Ipsum   More accurately, it was a parameter upload error (...   Jan 10 2007, 11:24 PM
- - AlexBlackwell   Panel Will Study Mars Global Surveyor Events NASA/...   Jan 10 2007, 10:07 PM
- - Zvezdichko   Space agencies more like miles not meters *crash* ...   Jan 11 2007, 02:26 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (Zvezdichko @ Jan 11 2007, 06:26 AM...   Jan 11 2007, 03:41 PM
|- - Littlebit   QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Jan 11 2007, 08:41 AM...   Jan 11 2007, 05:00 PM
|- - lastof7   I feel for the MGS software team if it turns out t...   Jan 11 2007, 05:14 PM
|- - tedstryk   QUOTE (Littlebit @ Jan 11 2007, 05:00 PM)...   Jan 11 2007, 10:47 PM
|- - Lorne Ipsum   Gang, This might help explain things a bit: h...   Jan 12 2007, 12:30 AM
|- - climber   QUOTE (Lorne Ipsum @ Jan 12 2007, 01:30 A...   Jan 12 2007, 12:52 AM
|- - Guido   QUOTE (Lorne Ipsum @ Jan 12 2007, 01:30 A...   Feb 13 2007, 01:42 PM
|- - PhilHorzempa   QUOTE (Lorne Ipsum @ Jan 11 2007, 08:30 P...   Feb 15 2007, 10:39 PM
- - odave   It's the nature of the software beast. I...   Jan 11 2007, 03:10 PM
|- - ugordan   One also has to consider that it's software, n...   Jan 11 2007, 03:22 PM
- - Zvezdichko   A little offtopic but... I'm very concerned ab...   Jan 11 2007, 03:15 PM
- - djellison   5 landers..V1, V2, MPF, MERA, MERB - all used rada...   Jan 11 2007, 03:20 PM
- - Zvezdichko   I have some information about processors on spacec...   Jan 11 2007, 03:29 PM
- - djellison   Some sort of software/commanding problem caused......   Jan 11 2007, 03:41 PM
- - climber   It's a wellknown fact that the majority of car...   Jan 11 2007, 07:25 PM
- - nprev   Absolutely superb & highly educational analysi...   Jan 12 2007, 12:55 AM
- - Lorne Ipsum   nprev & climber, Thanks -- glad you liked the...   Jan 12 2007, 03:16 AM
|- - helvick   Lorne - superb write up, one of the best bits of r...   Jan 12 2007, 10:19 AM
- - stevesliva   Thanks for the extremely informative blog! I ...   Jan 12 2007, 03:56 AM
- - edstrick   Viking's case involved a thrown-together set o...   Jan 12 2007, 11:45 AM
- - Littlebit   Somewhere - but I cannot find where - I read Lorne...   Feb 16 2007, 03:37 PM
- - PhilHorzempa   Lorne, Please let us at UMSF know what ha...   Feb 16 2007, 05:46 PM
- - elakdawalla   The preliminary report is out, and it sounds like ...   Apr 13 2007, 03:44 PM
- - djellison   I hope someone asks what the projected remaining o...   Apr 13 2007, 06:59 PM
- - elakdawalla   I've now posted a story on the review board re...   Apr 13 2007, 09:57 PM
|- - brellis   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Apr 13 2007, 02:57 P...   Apr 14 2007, 03:26 AM
- - nprev   An absolutely classic 'chain of mistakes/event...   Apr 14 2007, 03:43 AM
- - helvick   I hope Lorne will re-instate his analysis now too ...   Apr 14 2007, 08:59 AM
- - edstrick   There is a real need for a computer controlled spa...   Apr 14 2007, 10:19 AM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (edstrick @ Apr 14 2007, 03:19 AM) ...   Apr 14 2007, 02:35 PM
- - MarsIsImportant   It seems to me that part of the solution is they n...   Apr 14 2007, 12:29 PM
- - elakdawalla   I totally agree, Mike. One of the questions I was...   Apr 14 2007, 05:44 PM
|- - mcaplinger   QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Apr 14 2007, 10:44 A...   Apr 14 2007, 08:52 PM
- - nprev   Emily, "bizarre strings of events" are a...   Apr 15 2007, 12:36 AM
- - brellis   nprev said: "I am convinced that this is a f...   Apr 15 2007, 02:54 AM
|- - ElkGroveDan   QUOTE (brellis @ Apr 14 2007, 06:54 PM) E...   Apr 15 2007, 03:15 AM
- - nprev   To continue the nihilism: a cold vacuum of slowly ...   Apr 15 2007, 03:39 AM
|- - brellis   QUOTE (nprev @ Apr 14 2007, 08:39 PM) We ...   Apr 15 2007, 05:43 AM
- - cndwrld   I read the anomaly report that NASA put out, and I...   Apr 16 2007, 08:48 AM
- - nprev   Interesting and valuable insight from someone who...   Apr 16 2007, 02:56 PM
- - dvandorn   That was an excellent summary, Don -- it demonstra...   Apr 16 2007, 03:37 PM
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